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	<title>Comments on: The Domestication Spectrum: How Our Relationships With Plants and Animals Define Our Existence</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 02:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie  FOOD,inc , shows  &quot; CORN &quot; and the consequences . Plus it shows our next move .</description>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you say is true, and I love the metaphor of a romantic relationship for our relationships with domesticated and semi-domesticated species - but have you considered the reasons why we got into such codependent relationships inthe first place? Why did our fling with corn turn serious, and why are we starting to encourage salmon to be as emotionally needy as wheat is?

It&#039;s not because we want that kind of relationship, obviously. We want healthy relationships with a variety of species. But with seven billion people on the planet, all of them clamouring either to get or to keep an unsustainable westernised lifestyle, there are just too many of us, and our needs are too large, to use even a modernised pseudo-hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

If we work on a relationship with the semi-wild greens that you mention as a species, rather than on a very small scale as a few individuals, how will we make sure that we don&#039;t simply denude all the &#039;waste&#039; land of these plants and destroy them? If one child picks a wildflower, that&#039;s not a problem, but if every single child picked a wildflower, there would be no more flowers. 

Intensive farming of domesticated species is a logical way of making sure we have enough for everyone, including enough to re-seed the plant for next year. It may not be a good thing, but until we can reduce our own neediness - ie. reduce our population - to levels that can be sustained without intensive farming and associated codomestication, we can&#039;t hope to fix the relationship. And any new relationships we start without fixing that underlying problem, falling in love with Moringa or Castanea or any other lovely species, will simply start falling into the same old patterns and bad habits once the relationship gets serious.

I&#039;m sorry, corn, I know you&#039;re trying. It really isn&#039;t you, it&#039;s me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say is true, and I love the metaphor of a romantic relationship for our relationships with domesticated and semi-domesticated species &#8211; but have you considered the reasons why we got into such codependent relationships inthe first place? Why did our fling with corn turn serious, and why are we starting to encourage salmon to be as emotionally needy as wheat is?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not because we want that kind of relationship, obviously. We want healthy relationships with a variety of species. But with seven billion people on the planet, all of them clamouring either to get or to keep an unsustainable westernised lifestyle, there are just too many of us, and our needs are too large, to use even a modernised pseudo-hunter-gatherer lifestyle.</p>
<p>If we work on a relationship with the semi-wild greens that you mention as a species, rather than on a very small scale as a few individuals, how will we make sure that we don&#8217;t simply denude all the &#8216;waste&#8217; land of these plants and destroy them? If one child picks a wildflower, that&#8217;s not a problem, but if every single child picked a wildflower, there would be no more flowers. </p>
<p>Intensive farming of domesticated species is a logical way of making sure we have enough for everyone, including enough to re-seed the plant for next year. It may not be a good thing, but until we can reduce our own neediness &#8211; ie. reduce our population &#8211; to levels that can be sustained without intensive farming and associated codomestication, we can&#8217;t hope to fix the relationship. And any new relationships we start without fixing that underlying problem, falling in love with Moringa or Castanea or any other lovely species, will simply start falling into the same old patterns and bad habits once the relationship gets serious.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, corn, I know you&#8217;re trying. It really isn&#8217;t you, it&#8217;s me..</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moringa is the one for me :-)  Very enjoyable and provoking article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moringa is the one for me <img src='http://permaculture.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Very enjoyable and provoking article!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Angelini</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/03/04/the-domestication-spectrum-how-our-relationships-with-plants-and-animals-define-our-existence/#comment-44192</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Angelini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fine essay! Captivating and intriguing... This topic has been on my mind as of late. I recently received a copy of The Botany of Desire (PBS documentary) and have been thinking, perhaps what&#039;s happening now is that we really are realizing that our relationships are extremely dysfunctional and perhaps corn has become a predator to humans and the habitats that sustain us... for the long run. Many are looking to gardens, perennial foods and foraging. It seems that a shift is happening and a small number of us are letting more healthy relationships come into our lives. I know that Castanea and I have fallen in love...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fine essay! Captivating and intriguing&#8230; This topic has been on my mind as of late. I recently received a copy of The Botany of Desire (PBS documentary) and have been thinking, perhaps what&#8217;s happening now is that we really are realizing that our relationships are extremely dysfunctional and perhaps corn has become a predator to humans and the habitats that sustain us&#8230; for the long run. Many are looking to gardens, perennial foods and foraging. It seems that a shift is happening and a small number of us are letting more healthy relationships come into our lives. I know that Castanea and I have fallen in love&#8230;</p>
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