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	<title>Comments on: The Price of &#8216;Development&#8217; in China</title>
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		<title>By: jack</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-89618</link>
		<dc:creator>jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 00:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in China. I have lived here for the past 3 and a half years. From my experience the government here only knocks down the old decrepid homes and gives the people nice new homes to live in. The communities are kept together and the people normally benefit from the upheaval. It can be the best thing that ever happened to them. For some reason the western news only gives half the story when China is concerned. This is not a good enough reason to boycot chinese products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in China. I have lived here for the past 3 and a half years. From my experience the government here only knocks down the old decrepid homes and gives the people nice new homes to live in. The communities are kept together and the people normally benefit from the upheaval. It can be the best thing that ever happened to them. For some reason the western news only gives half the story when China is concerned. This is not a good enough reason to boycot chinese products.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Fischbacher</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39913</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Fischbacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBob,

you write:

&quot;This is why I enjoy watching the intersection of libertarianism and permaculture continue to grow...&quot;

Libertarianism is the answer. But to a very different question, which I would phrase as: &quot;What belief system is most strongly influenced by a collection of ideas that are fundamentally in conflict with any sound concept of an earth care ethics.&quot;

When I look at that aspect of various flavours of libertarianism, then what I see is outright catastrophic. It is hard to be as misguided about the inner mechanisms of the environment as quite a number of prominent and influential libertarians are.

So, just no. Libertarianism and permaculture won&#039;t go together, and unless libertarians reform quite dramatically, never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBob,</p>
<p>you write:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is why I enjoy watching the intersection of libertarianism and permaculture continue to grow&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Libertarianism is the answer. But to a very different question, which I would phrase as: &#8220;What belief system is most strongly influenced by a collection of ideas that are fundamentally in conflict with any sound concept of an earth care ethics.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I look at that aspect of various flavours of libertarianism, then what I see is outright catastrophic. It is hard to be as misguided about the inner mechanisms of the environment as quite a number of prominent and influential libertarians are.</p>
<p>So, just no. Libertarianism and permaculture won&#8217;t go together, and unless libertarians reform quite dramatically, never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrus</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39667</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Bob - I agree with you. I thought that most permies would be lefty type socialists but I have been pleasantly surprised to see a strong libertarian/anarchist side to the movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Bob &#8211; I agree with you. I thought that most permies would be lefty type socialists but I have been pleasantly surprised to see a strong libertarian/anarchist side to the movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mackintosh</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39589</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee - the first link (Food Miles, or Fair Miles) in the &#039;Further Reading&#039; section at bottom of the post above should answer your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee &#8211; the first link (Food Miles, or Fair Miles) in the &#8216;Further Reading&#8217; section at bottom of the post above should answer your question.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinar Kinikoglu</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39588</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinar Kinikoglu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Craig. I will upgrade Firefox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Craig. I will upgrade Firefox.</p>
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		<title>By: JBob</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39575</link>
		<dc:creator>JBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Informative video. Government is force; theft and murder mostly. This is why I enjoy watching the intersection of libertarianism and permaculture continue to grow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Informative video. Government is force; theft and murder mostly. This is why I enjoy watching the intersection of libertarianism and permaculture continue to grow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reneehc</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39571</link>
		<dc:creator>reneehc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was heart-breaking but it needs to be known.  Should we boycott goods from China?  Would that helps cases like these or only make matters worse for them?  I don&#039;t know.  But it&#039;s outrageous and very sad.  China has a population that most of us can&#039;t really comprehend.  At least I have trouble.  The human rights situation there is still so bad.

renee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was heart-breaking but it needs to be known.  Should we boycott goods from China?  Would that helps cases like these or only make matters worse for them?  I don&#8217;t know.  But it&#8217;s outrageous and very sad.  China has a population that most of us can&#8217;t really comprehend.  At least I have trouble.  The human rights situation there is still so bad.</p>
<p>renee</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mackintosh</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39564</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pinar. The latest version of Firefox is v3.5:

http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/

And the latest Internet Explorer is v8

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Internet-explorer/default.aspx

Install the latest browsers and it should be fine. The video is from YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pinar. The latest version of Firefox is v3.5:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/</a></p>
<p>And the latest Internet Explorer is v8</p>
<p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Internet-explorer/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/windows/Internet-explorer/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>Install the latest browsers and it should be fine. The video is from YouTube (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Sylim</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39561</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Used to travel to different parts of China for development work. There are many of such injustice happening in the cities as well as villagers....more so when villagers flock to the cities to look for jobs and fortune, the issues link to central government as well as provincial government + corruption, culture etc Yet such things does not confine to just China alone, it happen even in so called &quot;develop&quot; nations as well, in different forms and of differing degrees. 

Sylim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Used to travel to different parts of China for development work. There are many of such injustice happening in the cities as well as villagers&#8230;.more so when villagers flock to the cities to look for jobs and fortune, the issues link to central government as well as provincial government + corruption, culture etc Yet such things does not confine to just China alone, it happen even in so called &#8220;develop&#8221; nations as well, in different forms and of differing degrees. </p>
<p>Sylim</p>
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		<title>By: Pinar Kinikoglu</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/12/26/the-price-of-development-in-china/#comment-39554</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinar Kinikoglu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig;
I really enjoy your posts. However, I am having a problem viewing the videos. I don&#039;t even see the video box. I am using Mozilla Firefox v. 5.0 and IE v.6.0. Any idea?

Thanks and happy new year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig;<br />
I really enjoy your posts. However, I am having a problem viewing the videos. I don&#8217;t even see the video box. I am using Mozilla Firefox v. 5.0 and IE v.6.0. Any idea?</p>
<p>Thanks and happy new year!</p>
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