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	<title>Comments on: Inferno on Earth: Wildfires Spreading as Temperatures Rise</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Fischbacher</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/21/inferno-on-earth-wildfires-spreading-as-temperatures-rise/#comment-38579</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Fischbacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to condense all advice I can give how to deal with the present situation into one sentence, then that would be: &quot;steer clear of those with very poor observational skills&quot;.

Considering Alex Jones / Prisonplanet, I can sort-of see why such a far-off-the-mainstream source is somewhat popular in a number of far-off-the-mainstream circles, such as the permaculture community. However, what does make me highly nervous about A.J. is that he has made up his own mind on how the world works, seeks out confirming evidence that fits his crazy picture, and discards everything that does not fit.

Take, for example, this issue:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm

An academic biologist warned that an overpopulated (and highly networked, I may add) planet provides an ideal medium for lethal viruses to spread, and that there is considerable likelihood that our population gets decimated this way within our lifetime.

The possibility of such a scenario is actually not such an outlandish idea, after all. It&#039;s certainly under-estimated by the general public, as is the danger of a Carrington event, or of a major asteroid impact taking out a city.

But what did happen then? A creationist tried to spin the content of this talk to launch a smear campaign against that biologist (for he&#039;s an &quot;adherent of the belief in evolution&quot;) and mis-reported this talk as being about plans to decimate the human population. Now, this so nicely fits into Alex Jones&#039; model of the world that he had to report that - unchecked - as sound evidence for the sinister plan to kill off the majority of human people by the power elite.

Madness at its best.

I think I can safely say that, while reading Alex Jones may at times serve useful purposes to overcome mental blockades, and that the existence of his site should be seen as a sign that freedom of speech still works to a reasonable degree, he is actually navigating quite a bit outside the realm of sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to condense all advice I can give how to deal with the present situation into one sentence, then that would be: &#8220;steer clear of those with very poor observational skills&#8221;.</p>
<p>Considering Alex Jones / Prisonplanet, I can sort-of see why such a far-off-the-mainstream source is somewhat popular in a number of far-off-the-mainstream circles, such as the permaculture community. However, what does make me highly nervous about A.J. is that he has made up his own mind on how the world works, seeks out confirming evidence that fits his crazy picture, and discards everything that does not fit.</p>
<p>Take, for example, this issue:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm</a></p>
<p>An academic biologist warned that an overpopulated (and highly networked, I may add) planet provides an ideal medium for lethal viruses to spread, and that there is considerable likelihood that our population gets decimated this way within our lifetime.</p>
<p>The possibility of such a scenario is actually not such an outlandish idea, after all. It&#8217;s certainly under-estimated by the general public, as is the danger of a Carrington event, or of a major asteroid impact taking out a city.</p>
<p>But what did happen then? A creationist tried to spin the content of this talk to launch a smear campaign against that biologist (for he&#8217;s an &#8220;adherent of the belief in evolution&#8221;) and mis-reported this talk as being about plans to decimate the human population. Now, this so nicely fits into Alex Jones&#8217; model of the world that he had to report that &#8211; unchecked &#8211; as sound evidence for the sinister plan to kill off the majority of human people by the power elite.</p>
<p>Madness at its best.</p>
<p>I think I can safely say that, while reading Alex Jones may at times serve useful purposes to overcome mental blockades, and that the existence of his site should be seen as a sign that freedom of speech still works to a reasonable degree, he is actually navigating quite a bit outside the realm of sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/21/inferno-on-earth-wildfires-spreading-as-temperatures-rise/#comment-38512</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  really think Janet should do some swatting on forest fires. I don’t know from first-hand researcher if she is on the money when writing of Alaskan bushfires, but he fractured recounting of the factors behind Black Saturday doesn’t give me much confidence that she knows the first thing about what she is talking about.

For starters, Janet, the weather on Black Saturday was EXACTLY the same as before and during every other huge fire in Victoria. It was hotter in 1851, when half the state burned, and the temperatures in 1939, 1944 and 1983 were within one of two degrees. That’s a 160-year period and the fire conditions have not budged an inch.

And Janet, when you write that preventative burning is coming back, it is obvious that you haven’t discussed that point with any of the green readers of this blog. They opposed hazard reduction, and green councils (the dills in Nillumbik) actually fined people for collecting dead wood from the roadside. They also uprooted deciduous trees (which don’t burn readily) and replaced them fire-loving natives.

Look, I could go on, but it’s not global warming that is to blame. It is moronic ideologues.

To save the next crop of bushfire victims, we have to go back to aboriginal burning practices. When aborigines were removed from the countryside that their burning had altered over the course of 40,000 years, the low intensity fires stopped also. The nature of the vegetation changed and the amount of ground fuel increased, because it was free to build up for years.

Anyone who wants to get a clear and non-ideological perspective on bushfires and how to avoid more mega-deaths should read ”Inferno: The Day Victoria Burned” by Rodger Franklin. I just took it back to the library and its description of the stupidity that created Black Saturday and the official idiocy that made it even worse should make your blood boil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  really think Janet should do some swatting on forest fires. I don’t know from first-hand researcher if she is on the money when writing of Alaskan bushfires, but he fractured recounting of the factors behind Black Saturday doesn’t give me much confidence that she knows the first thing about what she is talking about.</p>
<p>For starters, Janet, the weather on Black Saturday was EXACTLY the same as before and during every other huge fire in Victoria. It was hotter in 1851, when half the state burned, and the temperatures in 1939, 1944 and 1983 were within one of two degrees. That’s a 160-year period and the fire conditions have not budged an inch.</p>
<p>And Janet, when you write that preventative burning is coming back, it is obvious that you haven’t discussed that point with any of the green readers of this blog. They opposed hazard reduction, and green councils (the dills in Nillumbik) actually fined people for collecting dead wood from the roadside. They also uprooted deciduous trees (which don’t burn readily) and replaced them fire-loving natives.</p>
<p>Look, I could go on, but it’s not global warming that is to blame. It is moronic ideologues.</p>
<p>To save the next crop of bushfire victims, we have to go back to aboriginal burning practices. When aborigines were removed from the countryside that their burning had altered over the course of 40,000 years, the low intensity fires stopped also. The nature of the vegetation changed and the amount of ground fuel increased, because it was free to build up for years.</p>
<p>Anyone who wants to get a clear and non-ideological perspective on bushfires and how to avoid more mega-deaths should read ”Inferno: The Day Victoria Burned” by Rodger Franklin. I just took it back to the library and its description of the stupidity that created Black Saturday and the official idiocy that made it even worse should make your blood boil.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Young</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/21/inferno-on-earth-wildfires-spreading-as-temperatures-rise/#comment-38510</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the term &#039;global warming&#039; should not be used. Climate change is a lot more complex than a simple temperature rise. I also agree with you that the only solutions put forth by governments seem to be a tax on living which is what Carbon Taxes amount to. Even if CO2 is not a climate driver as skeptics say, all industries that emit CO2 are also pumping out many other carcinogenic gases and poisons into our air, water and soils. Our current industrial regimes will destroy either through cancer or climate. The leaders of our world are gearing up to use climate change as an excuse for even greater control over our lives. I believe that our battle is one against power as much as it is against pollution etc. We could very easily have a few Masdar Cities around the world where the rich and powerful live in luxury while the rest of us toil as peasants on organic farms. I for one believe we need to be very cautious about the Climate Change debate being hijacked by sinister elites.
End rant :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the term &#8216;global warming&#8217; should not be used. Climate change is a lot more complex than a simple temperature rise. I also agree with you that the only solutions put forth by governments seem to be a tax on living which is what Carbon Taxes amount to. Even if CO2 is not a climate driver as skeptics say, all industries that emit CO2 are also pumping out many other carcinogenic gases and poisons into our air, water and soils. Our current industrial regimes will destroy either through cancer or climate. The leaders of our world are gearing up to use climate change as an excuse for even greater control over our lives. I believe that our battle is one against power as much as it is against pollution etc. We could very easily have a few Masdar Cities around the world where the rich and powerful live in luxury while the rest of us toil as peasants on organic farms. I for one believe we need to be very cautious about the Climate Change debate being hijacked by sinister elites.<br />
End rant <img src='http://permaculture.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Luetkemeyer</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/21/inferno-on-earth-wildfires-spreading-as-temperatures-rise/#comment-38498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Luetkemeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the United States, temperatures have been on the cooler side over the last few years.  We have had wetter summers and drier winters.  From my understanding, if the Earth was still warming, we would have the opposite.  I just recently read an article talking about this year having he lowest recorded number of hurricanes for 30 years.  This global climate change hoax is really getting to disturb me.  The only thing our governments are proposing are more taxes.  I propose permaculture, the only real solution.

Here are a couple interesting articles:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/with-hurricanes-at-thirty-year-low-gore-turns-to-photoshop.html

http://www.infowars.com/climate-skeptics-claim-leaked-emails-are-evidence-of-collusion-among-scientists/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&amp;feature=player_embedded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the United States, temperatures have been on the cooler side over the last few years.  We have had wetter summers and drier winters.  From my understanding, if the Earth was still warming, we would have the opposite.  I just recently read an article talking about this year having he lowest recorded number of hurricanes for 30 years.  This global climate change hoax is really getting to disturb me.  The only thing our governments are proposing are more taxes.  I propose permaculture, the only real solution.</p>
<p>Here are a couple interesting articles:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/with-hurricanes-at-thirty-year-low-gore-turns-to-photoshop.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.prisonplanet.com/with-hurricanes-at-thirty-year-low-gore-turns-to-photoshop.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.infowars.com/climate-skeptics-claim-leaked-emails-are-evidence-of-collusion-among-scientists/" rel="nofollow">http://www.infowars.com/climate-skeptics-claim-leaked-emails-are-evidence-of-collusion-among-scientists/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&amp;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40&amp;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
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